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| Holland, Amsterdam, June 2, 1997. | |
| < | I want to share something that happpened today. Tonight I had an already paid for lecture going on in Amsterdam and already this morning I kind of knew that I would end up here. |
| > | Yes, ha ha. |
| < | And normally I would have been busy the whole day doubting, doubting, doubting and I kind of dropped it and it popped up once in a while and at a quarter to seven I started packing up and just went here. |
| > | Yes. |
| < | And I think that’s the way it works. |
| > | Yes, yes. |
| < | And I have one question. I think about what is happening, so it is a thought but my mind comes up with the idea that going inside needs a direction where you go. |
| > | Say again. |
| < | When I try to find me, or whatever, I have the idea of going inside. |
| > | Yes. |
| < | And also the idea that I am going into a dark room looking for the light switch, And there is a need – and I know this is a thought – there is a need for direction. |
| > | Oh, I understand. This again is a function of language. Because to be, you don’t have to go anywhere, right? Because you are here. Correct? So, we do speak about going inside, but it is just a way of speaking. You are not going anywhere, Being is already here. Being is there, right? |
| < | I am here, yes. |
| > | So, this being, your own experience of being, where is being? Where does being begin and end ? In your own experience! Being is here, right? You don’t have to do anything for it. Now, where does being being and end? |
| < | It is just here. And the only thing that disturbs it, or makes it alive, are my thoughts. |
| > | In truth, when you are just with being, thoughts can come and go and being is undisturbed. Being is always here. |
| < | It is as if, eh. Well let me think again (laughter). It is gone. |
| > | Hihihihi. Being remains, right. Being remains. Being. Thoughts come and go, being remains. |
| < | Eh eh. It is so much nothing. I experience it still as a activity of my mind that I call this nothingness being. It’s just nothing. |
| > | It’s just nothing. Correct. Very nice. |
| < | Oh. This weekend I have really the experience that saying that I am nothing or I am that is just nonsense. Something like., it is the same model as that I call my ego or my thoughts I. |
| > | Correct.Correct. To just say it is meaningless |
| < | Do you want to say that again please. |
| > | To just say it is meaningless. To say I am nothing, you can say I am nothing, I am nothing, but hi hi |
| < | Yeah, you get depressed. |
| > | There is actually a joke about the Jewish culture that I have to tell at this point: The rabbi goes into the synagogue and all of a sudden he has a direct experience of God. And he is overwhelmed and he goes: Ahh, you are everything. I am nothing You are everything I am nothing. And he just sits down in awe. Then in the Jewish tradition there is the man who sings the prayers and he is kind of second in the hierarchy you see, and he comes in and the presence is so strong and he experiences himself as that and he just goes: you’re everything, I’m nothing. And he is sitting there, completely blown away. And then there is the janitor, the guy who cleans the synagogue and the toilets. He walks in and the same thing happens. This presence is there and he is completely blown away. He goes you’re everything, I’m nothing. So the guy who sings the prayers looks at the rabbi and says: Look who thinks he is nothing |
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