His answer was:
“Dit klinkt heel erg sanyassin qua toon maar wel behoorlijk oprecht (of het nu klopt of niet). Wat vind jij?”
I replied thus:
“Ach, zonder nadenken mijn eerste reactie: gemeen ondertoontje: ‘ga iets nuttigs doen met je leven’.
En verder, teveel mind zou ik zeggen: ze leest mijn blog, ontdekt daardoor dat ze me niet heeft geantwoord, vindt haar niet verzonden antwoord in haar oude drafts, besluit dan dat antwoord te wissen.
Daarna schrijft ze mij en zegt dat ze nu mijn blog leest en zo voort en zo verder.
It was about the following email that I received after sending the link to my blog Tantralalalala 1 to the people of WildTantra.com:
Tantralalalaaaa… Nice title for a book!
I did reply to you but it got stuck in my draft folder so actually the email never got to you!
Life is playing nice joke! I love it!! I deleted it. I don’t think it make sense now to send it to you… It is too long ago.
Now, I read your blog… I had to smile and laugh!
I don’t get it! Who is interested by such stories?
You have great talent in writing. What about investing this talent in something more interesting, more profound, more contributing to the beauty, the love of this world?
As for responding why you were not allowed in our retreat after your coming to the Orgasmic Body.
I will not be diplomatic like Amrapali. It is good she is. She is our organiser. She has to deal with so many people’s mind!
Some diplomacy is sometimes needed!
So here my answer to you: Too much mind fuck! And you are so untangled in it that it locks up your whole life energy. I am not saying you cannot free it. Of course you can, but you will need to do some other types of groups before moving into Tantra.
You are not the only one, I refuse in our retreats. There are many after the first retreat of our training to whom I send somewhere else in order for them to get ready for Tantra.
So, if you feel Tantra is your path, prepare yourself! and you will be warmly welcome by us!
So, now we went public, here is my answer as a blog:
What a surprise to hear from you in this way.
This way being a bit giggling and belittling.
So, the fact that I sent you the link to my blog makes you realise that your answer to me was not send to me? And then you deleted it!
At least that is what I thought first (and I expressed this in my reply to a friends mail).
Later I realised that you probably have noticed that your answer got stuck in your draft, way before I send you the link to my blog. And then you deleted it because ‘too long ago’.
Yet, unfinished business doesn’t know time. It waits for it to be finished beyond time.
(The patience of karma?).
So, your not answering was mentioned in my blog Tantralalalala 1, in fact a fast forword tot the still to be written part 2 of it.
My letter to you was a request for a meeting in the hope and expectation that we could have an exchange on a professional level. As I expressed in it, I had the impression that we had already such an exchange after the weekend that I attended.
But then, surprise, surprise, you had your assistent write me a letter “that told me that I am not allowed to participate anymore in your workshops.”
I wrote my letter to you after having received this meaningless reply by Amrapali that you yourself so rightfully label as ‘diplomatic’.
As for my blog, due to a lack of time I only wrote the first outline as a stepping stone to it and mentioned out loud that I didn’t receive any answer from you.
So, you wrote me a new answer. It is, to be honest, not really an invitation for an exchange, let alone a professional one.
If this answer is an improvement of the deleted one, then not much got lost I’d say.
Your answer comes down to this one liner: too much mindfuck!
Plus a rhetorical question about my blog: “I don’t get it! Who is interested by such stories?”, with the implied suggestion that no one is interested.
Let me answer your rhetorical question anyhow: Well, there is an audience for such stories. Not such a wide audience as for your work, but still an audience.
I will save myself the trouble to collect quotes from those that reacted.
Let me quote the lecture on Tantra in the West by Osho that one of my friends sent me.
Here is the link, (http://o-meditation.com/2010/03/16/tantra-failed-for-two-reasons-osho/) and for those who hate clicking I will copy the whole thing below as a PS.
For sure I will refer to that lecture in part 2 too, and to my own report on the temples in Khajuraho, where I happened to be two years ago. And to a few more things.
(“Suddenly I am in Khajuraho.
The internet is slow and the Temple Porn is soft as ghee.”).
Enter the world of tantra; just another minefield.
Do you see shortcomings in the teachings of Tantra that incline you to feel tantric methods are not suitable for us?
It is not a complete system. There is a basic fallacy that human beings fall into: they find a small truth, a part of the truth, and rather than discover the whole, the remaining part they imagine to fill up the gap. Because they have part of the truth, they can argue and they can manage to make a system, but the remaining part is simply their invention.
All the systems have done that. Rather than discovering the whole truth, it is the human tendency to say, “Why bother? We have found a small piece which is enough for the showcase, which is enough to silence any enemy who raises any question” – and the remaining is just invention.
For example, tantra is right that sexual energy is the basic energy, so this energy should be transformed into higher forms. It is a truth. But what happened is that they never went very deep into meditation; meditation remained just secondary. And man’s sexuality shows itself so powerfully that in the name of tantra it became simply sexual orgy. Without meditation that was going to happen. Meditation should have been the most primary thing because that is going to transform the energy, but that became secondary.
And many people, who were sexually perverted, sexually repressed, joined the tantra school. These were the people who brought all their perversions, all their repressions. They were not interested in any transformation, they were interested only in getting rid of their repressions; their interest was basically sexual.
So although tantra has a piece of truth, it could not be used rightly. Unless that piece of truth is put in second place, and meditation moves into first place, it will always happen that in tantra, people will be doing all kinds of perversions. And with a great name, they will not feel that they are doing anything wrong; they will feel they are doing something religious, something spiritual.
Tantra failed for two reasons. One was an inner reason – that meditation was not made the central point. And second, tantra had no special methodology for the perverted and the repressed, so that first their repressions and perversions are settled and they become normal. And once they become normal, then they are introduced to meditation. Only after deep meditation should they be allowed in tantra experiments. It was a wrong arrangement, so the whole thing became, in the name of a great system, just an exploitation of sex.
That’s what many of the therapists are doing. Just the other day I saw Rajen’s advertisement for a tantra group – with an obscene picture. It will attract people because this is real pornography. Why bother to go to see just pictures printed on paper when you can see real people doing pornography? And Rajen has no understanding of meditation, has never meditated.
And these people will feel good, relieved, because the society does not allow them… In the group they will be allowed to do everything they want to do, so much repression will be thrown out, and they will feel relieved and light and they will feel thankful that they have gone through a great tantra experience. And there has been no tantra experience – it was simply a sexual orgy. And within a few days, they will again collect repressions because they cannot do it outside in the society. So they become permanent customers, chronic tantrikas.
And the so-called therapists enjoy the money that they bring. They have nothing to lose, they simply allow freedom. They start with all the great words that I have been using – “freedom,” “expression,” “no repression,” ”just be yourself, and don’t be worried what others are thinking,” “do your own thing.” And those idiots start doing their own thing!
First people should be introduced to meditation, and then they should be introduced to tantra methods. This is not tantra. Tantra methods are totally different. These people who are doing tantra, they don’t know anything about tantra.
For example, Ramakrishna meditated deeply, and whenever he felt any sexual urge disturbing his meditation he would ask his wife Sharda – who was a beautiful woman – to sit on a high stool, naked, and he would sit in front of her just looking at her, meditating on her till that sexual urge subsided. Then he would touch the feet of Sharda, his own wife, and he would thank her, saying, “You have been helping me immensely; otherwise, where would I have gone? The urge needed some expression, and just watching you was enough.”
The temple of Khajuraho has beautiful statues in all sexual postures. It was a tantra school that made the temple and those statues. And the first thing the student had to do was to meditate on each statue – and they are arranged in such a way that from one corner you go around the temple in a circle. It may take six months, but you have to watch each statue until you can see it just as a statue with no sexuality in it – and it is in a sexual posture. But just in your watching it, seeing it for months, it becomes a pure piece of art; all pornography disappears. Then you move to another. And all the perversions of human mind have been put into the statues.
And when you have circled the whole temple, only then will the master allow you inside the temple. Those six months are of immense meditation and of tremendous release, all repressions gone: you are feeling absolutely light. Then the master allows you in. And inside the temple there is no sexual statue; inside the temple there is nothing – emptiness.
Then the master teaches you how to go deeper into your meditation which has arisen in the six months, and now you can go very deep because there is no hindrance, no problem, no sexuality. And this going deep into meditation with no sexual disturbance means the sexual energy is moving with the meditation, not against it. That’s how it is transformed and takes higher forms.
All these so-called therapists know nothing about tantra; know nothing of why it failed. But they are not interested in that, they are interested in exploiting repressed people. And the repressed people are happy because after a seven or ten day tantra session, they feel relieved; they think this is some spiritual growth. But within two or three days all that spiritual growth will be gone, and they are ready for another group.
There are some people – you can call them “groupies” – that move from one group to another group to another group. Their whole life is just a movement from group to group. Just like hippies… but you can call them “groupies.”
Taken from The Path of the Mystic, Chapter 38